There are two parts of the creative process that live in constant tension with one another: the spark, which is the exciting idea, and the grind, which is the process of bringing that idea into the world. Today’s guest, Erik Wahl, is a graffiti artist and teacher, and he’s the author of a new book called The Spark and The Grind. We have a wide-ranging conversation about creativity, grit, success vs. failure, expectations, and more.


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Music for the AC podcast is by Joshua Seurkamp. End remix is by DJ Z-Trip.

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